Fireworks stuff found at the asassination attempt

[Arclight]

So the FBI released pictures of the improvised device found in the suspect's car. I'm pretty sure the firing system is a 1-channel Bilusocn. Does anyone know what the white wire igniters are? They look like MJGs, but maybe not? See bekow,

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[KELLFIRE mike]

Do you have a link to where you found this image?

[KELLFIRE mike]

never mind I see what you did here. I found the middle image online.

[Arclight]

never mind I see what you did here. I found the middle image online.

It was assembled by an EOD guy from several pictures that were released.

[BMoore]

It's not Bilusocn and not MJG, but that single channel system is readily available on e-bay. White wire e-match is more common in Europe and probably comes from a European manufacturer rather than China. A little unusual but it is out there and probably another e-bay find.

[vegassalute]

It's awful, it forces us to double down on self-governance. It's so easy for us to be dragged into the public discourse when specialized tools, resources, and disposables from our industry are used in such grotesque and barbaric ways. Our vigilance cannot stop with inventory alone, but also with the tools and supplies that support our specialized needs. We all know that actions by irresponsible bastards like these end up boomerangs on us. We either pay now with greater effort or we pay later with more restrictive regulation. Heartbreaking, where we've devolved in some segments of society. We live in what is arguably the greatest time for human kind to be alive, yet those with barbaric intent are never far it seems. Over the years I've come to rival Fort Knox with security matters, adding more each year, trying to prevent the preventable Granted, some of these things can be purchased by seemingly innocent people, but every inch of vigilance helps. Measure twice, sort of thing.

[displayfireworks1]

Perhaps Arclight can give us an opinion on this.
From what I am reading it sounds like Ammonium Nitrate in prill form and Nitromethane . Not sure if that what go off with an electric match. There was also mention of a gray powder. Possible salute booster? Would a traditional salute (gray powder) act as a booster to get this going?
On a side note , if that electric match is from a European country it will feed the conspiracy theory that someone from those countries sent it to him.
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I am also reading the receiver when found was in the off position.

[displayfireworks1]

I got word , its best to leave discussion of how this works off of the forums. Although I would like to put some of that Nitromethane in my lawn mower to see if I can cut grass faster. LOL

[Arclight]

I'd be happy to talk privately about this if Dave or someone else wants to work it. The short answer is that very few commercial and mining products can go high-order with just a spark or match.

[displayfireworks1]

We can talk generically about it without instructed someone how to make it and source it.
. From the looks of that setup. It is primitive and amateurish. I thought that a simple electric match would not set any of this type of stuff off. Thanks for confirming. Curious if he had the remote on him when he was on the roof? From the looks at the background of the picture it looks like the roof.
If I remember correctly Nitromethane was also used in combination on the Oklahoma City Federal Bombing. During that event they purchased Nitromethane under the guise of motorcycle racing. Can anyone purchase Nitromethane? I always thought it was a restricted product?
What I find unusual is that firing system remote. Combine that remote with that single shot cue EM B01, I do not see that combo for sale anywhere in United States. Same as the white wire electric match. The remote and the match are not common. I can’t find that white wire e-match anywhere

[BMoore]

An acquaintance who’s spent some time in Europe tells me that all white e-match is most likely manufactured by Heron fireworks out of Germany. They have a website and it does look like a similar box. I wonder if anyone in the U.S. imports it? Sounds like high quality e-match used by a lot of European display companies so maybe not a cheap “e-bay” type item after all. Hate to fan any conspiracy theories, but you do have to wonder if someone overseas supplied the kid.

[Arclight]

I got word , its best to leave discussion of how this works off of the forums. Although I would like to put some of that Nitromethane in my lawn mower to see if I can cut grass faster. LOL

Nitromethane is hard to light. I believe it usually has to be mxied with alcohol or gas to actually burn in a regular engine. It does have its own oxidizer, so it is able to get more power into race engines and small stuff like model airplanes. When sensitized properly, it can detonate at a velocity similar to TNT. The US Army uses a formula called "PLX" to test new ordnance, because it can be mixed up on-site in 55 gallon drums once they have the actual casing they want fabricated. You do need to file a statement of use and convince the compliance people that you have a racing license, blasting license or some other permissible use to buy it.

[displayfireworks1]

Nitromethane is hard to light. I believe it usually has to be mxied with alcohol or gas to actually burn in a regular engine. It does have its own oxidizer, so it is able to get more power into race engines and small stuff like model airplanes. When sensitized properly, it can detonate at a velocity similar to TNT. The US Army uses a formula called "PLX" to test new ordnance, because it can be mixed up on-site in 55 gallon drums once they have the actual casing they want fabricated. You do need to file a statement of use and convince the compliance people that you have a racing license, blasting license or some other permissible use to buy it.

Was this, and maybe still is a Nitromethane fuel we used back in the day for those small model engines with the glow plugs? Just at a glance it looks like most Nitromethane is formulated with Methanol, I am assuming to prevent detonation and make it more useful as a fuel without detonation. If you looking for pure Nitromethane you would have to be familiar with mix ratios to use it as a racing fuel.
I am sure the ATF ran test on what appear to be a Nitromethane mixture in that plastic bottle with an electric match tapped into it. Again it all looks primitive and amateurish

[thomask280]

Nitromethane is for mixing with alcohol. There is an addititive called nitropropane which mixes with gasolene. I used it when we were racing flatheads in the 60's. When useing either of these you must richen the mixture as you will be adding extra to mixture. We blew-up an engine because it was running too lean!

[Arclight]

In general, pyro stuff is considered "low explosives" as it will not detonate above the speed of sound and mostly needs some type of confinement to do that. NM with a sensitizing additive is a high explosive, meaning that it will detonate at a supersonic velocity and without confinement. AN is considered an oxidizer until you mix it with fuel oil, then it is a "blasting agent," meaning it can act like a high explosive, but only if it is boosted with a fast high explosive. AN and NM are also sold as a 2-part binary explosive called Kinepak.

So this is why you see the ATF designation of "low explosive" (needs to be kept in a type 4 magazine), high explosive (needs to be kept in a type 1 or 2 magazine) and "blasting agent" (can be kept in any of those or a type 5 hopper/bin). Some pyro compounds straddle the line, such as bulk flash powder, because it can "self confine." You really don't want to mix up flash powder in much quantity because it can explode unpredictably.

So what you see with blasting products is a "powder train" or a chain of events that all have to happen to make a detonation happen. The safety and transportation rules seek to keep this from happening. You can't store or transport explosives and blasting caps together for instance and you have to keep lighters, vapes and unapproved tools that could make a spark away from your stuff at all times.

Most blasting product will just burn if the truck catches fire, but they 100% can detonate if there are blasting caps in the load. And fireworks can detonate if you boost them like the LAPD did.

In this case, that electric match would be the beginning of a powder train and that prill material would be the end. Maybe he built some kind of cap, booster, etc. for the middle? I doubt the FBI and aTF are going to share that part if he was successful.

[displayfireworks1]

There was talk of "Gray Powder" who knows maybe be had a salute in the mix as a booster. Interesting is the wireless module was in the off position. Would a fireworks salute be a booster in this sort of setup? I am thinking it would not be ?

[Arclight]

There was talk of "Gray Powder" who knows maybe be had a salute in the mix as a booster. Interesting is the wireless module was in the off position. Would a fireworks salute be a booster in this sort of setup? I am thinking it would not be ?

Grey powder could be anything, but probably something with Aluminum as a fuel. The bomb tech folks have told me that lots of improvised stuff looks that way.