M25 airbursts

[PyroNASH]

I just stopped in at my local store and bought a case of m25s. The owner said get em while you can because they are becoming illegal, along with consumer quick fuse. Is there any truth to this or was it a ploy to get me to buy stuff.

[displayfireworks1]

Let the major fireworks trade organizations worry about what is or is not whatever. The industry as a whole will adapt. The real problem of late is getting the stuff made , inspected and out of China. Once its in United States , its good.

[Scotty Rockets]

Short answer yes and it’s a China thing not a US thing. Quick fuse is selling for $13 for 20’. The problem is that fuse cannot no longer be shipped mixed and would have to ship as its own container. Airburst cakes that’s a whole entirely different issue by the CIQ. Recently there are some positives but it could indeed be gone it’s class is 1.4 articles of pyrotechnics un431 and very well could be reassigned as 1.3.

[PyroNASH]

Thanks for the replies. I have been hearing different things from one person to the next and figured you guys on here would have better information.

Another thing I wanted to ask about is 1.4 quick match. I have a wholesaler I go to and was thinking of purchasing it but I've read it's super violent when it burns, what's your thoughts on the stuff.

[displayfireworks1]

Thanks for the replies. I have been hearing different things from one person to the next and figured you guys on here would have better information.

Another thing I wanted to ask about is 1.4 quick match. I have a wholesaler I go to and was thinking of purchasing it but I've read it's super violent when it burns, what's your thoughts on the stuff.

Go back and watch some of my videos. You need to do some homework. Then when you purchase quick match you know what questions to ask. We have no idea what version of quick match is sold throughout United States at various distributors. For the most part, most distributors do not even know what version of quick match they are selling. You live in Michigan , if you are at least 21 or older you should probably get ATF licensed and purchase quick match etc from reputable 1.3 distributors. The short answer for quick match is, if the stands are gray or gray looking gray disguised with black charcoal tint , it is going to be violently fast and will skip past Visco.

[jknepp1954]

Mr Tanner of the Tannerite products talked to me a few months ago. China will NOT make the airburst cakes - that was in Oct of last year. if that stays - he is going to look towards India or some other country to mfg. Yes - this is a China thing - not US. I don't get the big deal - but China is making it a big deal. So i guess wait and see.... in the meantime - if you find a supplier who has the Tannerite un0431 cakes - get them.

[RalphieJ]

Mr Tanner of the Tannerite products talked to me a few months ago. China will NOT make the airburst cakes - that was in Oct of last year. if that stays - he is going to look towards India or some other country to mfg. Yes - this is a China thing - not US. I don't get the big deal - but China is making it a big deal. So i guess wait and see.... in the meantime - if you find a supplier who has the Tannerite un0431 cakes - get them.

Doesn't Korea manufacture fireworks anymore? I recall some excellent quality 3" and 4" ball shells from Korea...........they were distinctive as they were finished with a glossy turquoise lacquer. Might they be a source?

[displayfireworks1]

Its not about what country has the knowledge to make fireworks. China knows how to make them and does a dam good job at it. It is about the category Articles of Pyrotechnics . Inspection. Labeling , Shipping etc. China will probably make and ship that cake all day long if it gets classified as a 1.3 product.

[BMoore]

Fuse has been a tricky subject for years. Supposedly, China has been hesitant to sell bulk fuse under the belief that the purchasers will use it to manufacture their own fireworks rather than buy from China. This year I'm hearing that China cut/stopped fuse production in order to focus on getting caught up on firework manufacturing. If true that may not be such a bad thing.

I expect all these issues to eventually work themselves out, but right now just getting product shipped is the real issue. The pandemic has caused a major supply & demand issue that weighs heavily in China's favor. Once things settle down and the power shifts back towards the purchaser look for some of these other issues to start getting resolved one way or the other.

[Stufotz]

So, as near as I can tell the supply of M-25’s has dried up. Any word on production this year?

[Scotty Rockets]

With the current Chinese shipping regulations they’re never coming back. At the very least not as 1.4 un431

[Stufotz]

With the current Chinese shipping regulations they’re never coming back. At the very least not as 1.4 un431

I think you’re right…..but I hope you’re not.

[BMoore]

The situation now is probably not indicative of the future. China has instituted new regulations every year but money talks and the importers had the power to influence changes in our favor to keep items coming. Since the pandemic, the supply/demand is skewed so far in China's favor that the importers and customers can do little other than be appreciative of what product we are able to get. I strongly suspect that once the pendulum swings back towards the purchaser you'll see a lot of these situations get remedied. The only question is how long will that take?

[Scotty Rockets]

The situation now is probably not indicative of the future. China has instituted new regulations every year but money talks and the importers had the power to influence changes in our favor to keep items coming. Since the pandemic, the supply/demand is skewed so far in China's favor that the importers and customers can do little other than be appreciative of what product we are able to get. I strongly suspect that once the pendulum swings back towards the purchaser you'll see a lot of these situations get remedied. The only question is how long will that take?

Good luck… with more and more factories being shut down every year it’s gonna continue to get worse. China has become more and more cognizant of safety and much more focus has been in the tech industry. From 10 years ago until now more than half the factories half been shut down, and it continues.

[jknepp1954]

Just to put it out there - Tannerite M25 airbursts series are no longer being made.
I had an email from a tannerite company rep to verify this. They are pursuing only their line of 1.4g consumer fireworks line.
AGAIN - TANNERITE M25S NO MORE!

[Birdman]

Just to put it out there - Tannerite M25 airbursts series are no longer being made.
I had an email from a tannerite company rep to verify this. They are pursuing only their line of 1.4g consumer fireworks line.
AGAIN - TANNERITE M25S NO MORE!

Not surprised by this at all but thanks for providing some closure.

[displayfireworks1]

I may still have one of these 100 shot ones left. Here is my video from 2019. A few people back then were whining about the price I remember. I think the problem now is getting them shipped into the country. Once they are in the country, its all good.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7XfbK7ueyg

[Engineer Cat]

This cake was brought to my attention. Supposed to be "air burst" It's only $14 at AWF, the place I saw it at wanted $35. Not that this compares to tannerite stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjS_2kD-GpI&t=1s

[esgrillo]

This cake was brought to my attention. Supposed to be "air burst" It's only $14 at AWF, the place I saw it at wanted $35. Not that this compares to tannerite stuff.

Wouldnt be half bad with a case or 2 going off at the same time

[cduesman]

It will be interesting to see video of the Pulse Pounder that's actually shipped/sold in the US. (I only see the one video and we don't know if that's the US production run.)

Chris

[displayfireworks1]

It will be interesting to see video of the Pulse Pounder that's actually shipped/sold in the US. (I only see the one video and we don't know if that's the US production run.)

Chris

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I have some Winda products making their way to me from China. Should arrive mid June. I'll let you know if this one is in the mix.

[Engineer Cat]

It will be interesting to see video of the Pulse Pounder that's actually shipped/sold in the US. (I only see the one video and we don't know if that's the US production run.)

Chris

I did see them on the shelf at the store I was at in south eastern PA last week right on the New Jersey boarder. However that doesn't really answer your question as to what the production run of the US version sounds like.

[Birdman]

Saw the demo video of Pulse Pounder and have been hoping to get my hands on one to try. I was thinking these could be nice in a finale if grouped in numbers.

[MichalMyg]

Nice to see this post here and thanks for sharing this to us.

[RalphieJ]

It's easy to make your own.........16's, 25's 100's.......

[EdwardH]

Thank you for the information. Very unfortunate to hear, but appreciate it.

[Jay_]

I picked up a case of the PP’s. Plan to demo one tonight and see if it hits. Have seen some recent vids with mixed results. Will report back with factory code on case if mine are any good.

[jdels]

I picked up a case of the PP’s. Plan to demo one tonight and see if it hits. Have seen some recent vids with mixed results. Will report back with factory code on case if mine are any good.

Please do! I passed on some because of the uncertainty. Thanks.

[Rick_In_Tampa]

I've got 5 M25 cakes in my show this year. Leftovers from 2 years ago. It's a shame you can't get them anymore.

[Jay_]

So I demoed one of my pulse pounders tonight finally. I mean.....it was ok. Definitely not a thunder king, but also definitely not the watered down thunder Kat that we all bought either. Some shots are louder than others, but it does not have that thump that cakes like S/L and C/F have.

My cake lasted FOREVER...like 45 seconds or so. I am going to put the rest of the case somewhere in my finale, but I'm going to put at least 4 igniters in them to speed them up. If you can pick one up for under or around $10 then they are probably worth that. Just don't expect it to be rattling windows a block away.

My case factory code/date code is 40F146/066/21. Ill post the vid tomorrow.

[Engineer Cat]

So I demoed one of my pulse pounders tonight finally. I mean.....it was ok. Definitely not a thunder king, but also definitely not the watered down thunder Kat that we all bought either. Some shots are louder than others, but it does not have that thump that cakes like S/L and C/F have.

My cake lasted FOREVER...like 45 seconds or so. I am going to put the rest of the case somewhere in my finale, but I'm going to put at least 4 igniters in them to speed them up. If you can pick one up for under or around $10 then they are probably worth that. Just don't expect it to be rattling windows a block away.

My case factory code/date code is 40F146/066/21. Ill post the vid tomorrow.

Great info. Looking forward to your video to see how different it is from the demo one. The place I saw them at wanted $35 each retail.

[Jay_]

Here is the vid. If you have a set of HQ headphones, the sound on the vid is right on with what it actually sounds like in person.


https://youtu.be/Qi_azHzA3XE

[jdels]

Thanks Jay!

[Justice Pyro]

Good luck… with more and more factories being shut down every year it’s gonna continue to get worse.

Shut down for breaking China's laws, safety, general disinterest in fireworks, or producing overloads? I know back in the day I heard Behais factory was supported by the government

[Justice Pyro]

It will be interesting to see video of the Pulse Pounder that's actually shipped/sold in the US. (I only see the one video and we don't know if that's the US production run.)

Chris

I have heard their are two versions I think their is a PSA on the reddit about it but it has something to do with if theres a black border around the bottom i think or the warning. One hits hardER than the other. Doubt its comp. to a OL / 1.3 sally tho

[Birdman]

I used pulse pounder in my show last year. It was pretty lackluster. I don't see even a harder hitting version comparing to the M25's I used this year.

[Salutecake]

I think I have a half case left of tannerite cake.
Personally, I believe some of the 1.4 pro cakes I shot off this fourth were louder that the tannerite cakes. Granted they were not all salutes or "air bursts" but they were loud!!!!

[displayfireworks1]

I don't know if the Tannerite M-25's will be as desirable as they once were in the recent past. Now, with this newly defined Article of Pyrotechnic category of 1.4 "Professional" products, this type of air burst (don't say salute) will be available at multiple distributors in various "Pro" products.

[KDirk]

So, is there any official word on whether the M-25 airburst cakes will be available again? Perusing related threads here, I get the idea that regulatory changes in China have made it impossible to have them made and imported to the US any longer. One mention was made that Tannerite was exploring manufacture in other countries. I just did some looking and no one has the Tannerite M-25 in stock now, so gather they aren't available any longer, at least for the time being.

Also noted that right now, BadaBoom has no 1.4G AP product listed at all on their site. Is it not made available for viewing by regular retail customers, and requires pre-clearance with them to access that portion of the catalog, or am I missing something?

I was impressed with the PyroDemon Pro color tail to silver tuono cake Dave showed in his recent video (he didn't fire it, but had it on the table while discussing the AP cert program) and BadaBoom is/was supposed to be a distributor of it, yet it's nowhere to be found on their site. I'm trying to start planning for next July 4, plus I might do a small shoot on new year's eve.

[displayfireworks1]

You need to advance into one of the fireworks firing systems I have listed and my continuing education certificate. Also its too early to plan for July 4th. Plan for New Years Eve. Distributors that sell these products as mentioned on my website want to be sure you have some documented training. Some distributors appear to be opting for a software program that opens up more buying options once you meet their purchasing pre-requisites
Now that this 1.4 Pro category is now out there, the Tannerite M-25 option is obsolete so to speak.

[KDirk]

I have your AP cert (Cobra), I was just not sure if one needed to make prior arrangements with the distributor even just to see what 1.4G product they stocked. As I said, BadaBoom doesn't have any publicly visible inventory for AP product amongst the categories on their site. In looking further, appears OC requires one to submit their credentials before they'll grant access to viewing their 1.4G catalog.

Too bad the Tannerite M-25 is (apparently) gone, I never fired any myself, but had seen them used before and thought they were a pretty solid product.

[BMoore]

The M-25 airburst really isn't all that great compared to some other products available today. Tannerite essentially kicked off the 1.4Pro category and I really hope they can get back into the game. It may be slim pickings for 1.4 pro products this time of the year. They tend to be high in demand and there aren't a lot of leftovers after July 4th. This is the time of year where most importers are working with the manufacturers to finalize their orders for the upcoming year. Early Spring tends to be the sweet spot for best availability of any type of fireworks. That's not to say you shouldn't start shopping now because you may get some good deals, but you might also be scraping the bottom of the barrel so to speak. Whenever you are at the pro level, whether it be 1.4pro or 1.3, you should communicate with your distributor, get them your credentials, get on their e-mail lists, etc. Some are very transparent about expected product arrival dates.

[topshelfpyro]

I have your AP cert (Cobra), I was just not sure if one needed to make prior arrangements with the distributor even just to see what 1.4G product they stocked. As I said, BadaBoom doesn't have any publicly visible inventory for AP product amongst the categories on their site. In looking further, appears OC requires one to submit their credentials before they'll grant access to viewing their 1.4G catalog.

Too bad the Tannerite M-25 is (apparently) gone, I never fired any myself, but had seen them used before and thought they were a pretty solid product.

If you have a place to store fireworks then buy things when they are available year round. I've started planning for the 4th next year and just placed orders for available products for new years and next 4th but I have a place to store them fortunately. things move fast especially in the 1.4pro category when it shows up. Think about a PGI class or 1 of the many shooters classes as well as Daves that you have already completed since that will open up many other places to purchase from that do not accept Daves.

Most places restrict viewing 1.4pro to people that they have already qualified the ability to purchase it.

[displayfireworks1]

If you read about the PGI shooter course both for 1.3 and the 1.4 Pro products it outlines it is NOT to be used to allow purchase of either 1.3 or 1. 4 Pro products. As a matter of fact they specifically outline they do not endorse it. What exactly is it designed to do? I suspect it was originally designed to be accepted and used by Display Companies to train their employees to shoot shows for them and not to have participants function independently of a Display Company. And/or purchase and use either 1.3 or the new 1.4 Pro products for their own use. These Display Companies have these classes to recruit help, not to have you purchase products on your own.
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What I do and continue to do, first with my ATF license package and now with my 1.4 Pro certification is to train and teach advanced users to function AND PURCHASE these fireworks products WITHOUT a Display Company. I approached the PGI back in 2018 about the new at the time Articles of Pyrotechnic products, they wanted nothing to do with it and just wanted to continue with their Display Fireworks course. . Now all of sudden they come up with this new Pro product training and specify it is not to be used to purchase Pro products. What is it designed to do? It is geographically limited and does NOT endorse you purchase PRO products,
The PGI is a business disguised as a IRS 501 (C ) (3)

[topshelfpyro]

If you read about the PGI shooter course both for 1.3 and the 1.4 Pro products it outlines it is NOT to be used to allow purchase of either 1.3 or 1. 4 Pro products. As a matter of fact they specifically outline they do not endorse it. What exactly is it designed to do? I suspect it was originally designed to be accepted and used by Display Companies to train their employees to shoot shows for them and not to have participants function independently of a Display Company. And/or purchase and use either 1.3 or the new 1.4 Pro products for their own use. These Display Companies have these classes to recruit help, not to have you purchase products on your own.
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What I do and continue to do, first with my ATF license package and now with my 1.4 Pro certification is to train and teach advanced users to function AND PURCHASE these fireworks products WITHOUT a Display Company. I approached the PGI back in 2018 about the new at the time Articles of Pyrotechnic products, they wanted nothing to do with it and just wanted to continue with their Display Fireworks course. . Now all of sudden they come up with this new Pro product training and specify it is not to be used to purchase Pro products. What is it designed to do? It is geographically limited and does NOT endorse you purchase PRO products,
The PGI is a business disguised as a IRS 501 (C ) (3)


Maybe so but the truth is that everyone accepts the PGi display operator course or a 1.3 display companies shooter course as a proof of competency to purchase 1.4 pro products.........everyone......

[BMoore]

PGI is trying to cover themselves legally. They don't want to be in a position of qualifying someone as they could then potentially be a lawsuit target if said person causes an accident. Since there are currently no standardized training guidelines and the vetting of qualified purchasers is the seller's responsibility, I really can't blame them for that non-endorsement blurb.

[displayfireworks1]

I should also mention there are retail locations and distributors adding the Ignite and my education program to their showroom/websites and/or email list for AP education/sales. They just may not want to be listed on the pyrotalk website. Or prefer selected local customers.
If anyone owns an Ignite, Cobra etc. I suggest to check with your favorite store if they are selling AP products and accepting my education program. I am also finding locations are adding it and not telling me. However I run across it on their social media.