6 Inch Fireworks Canister Artillery Shell Revealed

[displayfireworks1]

I think they pushed it a little too far with this 6 inch stuff.
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[Rick_In_Tampa]

60 grams is 60 grams whether it's in a 3" shell or a 5 gallon bucket.

The bucket just won't break as high. :rolleyes:

[PyroManiacs]

The person who developed this idea should be punched in the face a few times for being an asshole by knowingly wanting to rip people off.

I'm all for a free market, but at this point...this is out of line.

[Rick_In_Tampa]

I'm all for a free market, but at this point...this is out of line.

I think the word you're looking for there is "fraud!" I agree. This should be illegal as a deceptive trade practice.

[nightstalker]

I've seen this many times. Take the top off of a tube that's maybe 2" in diameter and their is a small 1/2"-3/4" tube centered in the middle of the larger tube.
Dave have you or anybody else noticed if these fake larger tubes/canisters are selling for more money.

[jamisonlm3]

I've never seen those kind of fake canisters. I've seent he multibreak shells desguised as a canister shell. Some of the smaller canister shells are coming as the reverse. They look like a ball shells, but what would normally be the lift cut is the actual shell. There's alot of smoke and mirrors in the fireworks business. Imagine how bad it would've been two decades ago without the internet. Stuff like this would have to travel via word of mouth. Now people can make videos anyone can see. It's help clear alot of the smoke, I know that much.

[Mattp]

60 grams is 60 grams whether it's in a 3" shell or a 5 gallon bucket.

EXACTLY!!!! soon theyre going to have to start using the 15" tubes just to fit the damn shell

[FBpyro]

Did anyone else notice the design of that particular shell, where the main fuse doesn't directly go into the lift charge but instead lights another hidden fuse from the bottom compartment.

Are lot's of new canisters being designed this way? If so it kinda makes me nervous that if this becomes a common design it won't be as easy for consumers to easily wire shells for firing systems.

Poking the firewire initiator into the fuse hole would do nothing.

[pfm1700]

It's just like the 5 inch NOAB's you see out there. Obviously you're not getting a 5 inch shell.

[jsifue2]

It's all about marketing, your average firework consumer will assume the "bigger" shell is superior. The firework company adds a hefty margin and profits from the consumers lack of knowledge on the subject. This happens everywhere, not just the firework biz.

[Hartman]

Yeah, it's all marketing. To plays devil's advocate, the company says the shell is 6 inches, and that is in fact true. So technically they are not lying to you. Like it or not, the manufacturer hires people to sell there product, not educate the consumer.

[joewad]

On the lighter side, is that a true 6 inch or a man's interpretation of 6 inch?

[AxeElf]

On the lighter side, is that a true 6 inch or a man's interpretation of 6 inch?

I was thinking that this is basically the pyro equivalent of stuffing a sock down your pants.

[crayzkirk]

Thanks for this telling display of how the manufacturers and retailers are being rather deceptive. I made a purchase at Hale Fireworks on the 29th and was looking at the Kong 5 inch shells. The salesperson told me about the new 6 inch shells for a higher price. I did say that consumer grade fireworks have a maximum load of 55 to 60 grams regardless of how big the shell was. The response was that most people don't know that and simply buy the most expensive (and usually the largest shells). I've been happy with my purchases there however the term buyer beware seems to be very applicable in the fireworks industry. Bigger doesn't mean better.

[kickler]

Well lets be honest the firework industry is full of fraud when the average person goes to the firework store to buy a firework and they see 500 gram they expect it to be better than the 200 gram but we all know not every 500 gram cake is 500 grams and not every 200 gram is 200 grams. and hello pyrotalk :) looking forward to getting my 1.3 next year and learning what I can from the more season'd pyrotechnics out there.

oh to not to mention a case of 5" only comes with 3 in case got to love it:) excals are looking even better now.

[bml215]

Dave have you or anybody else noticed if these fake larger tubes/canisters are selling for more money.

Yes they usually are $20-30 more single piece consumer at a shop. I have spent the extra money in the past when they were $10-15 more, there is a noticeable sound difference with lift and i had believed with break too (at least the brand i had liked). The difference was noticable enough for me to spend a little more on them, but this year i seen them on the shop website for over $100. No way I would spend that for extra noise let alone discovering the 60g max.

I picked up light sabers this year and last. Decent can's, last year they were $75 this year $85.

[displayfireworks1]

I did not forget about these 6 inch canister shells. The top layer of clay is now removed. You can now really appreciate the dead space
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[PyroKing31]

Since were on the topic of full load and 60g is 60g. Are their any 60g total comp ball shells? Everything that's 60g seems to be only cans.

[jknepp1954]

Since were on the topic of full load and 60g is 60g. Are their any 60g total comp ball shells? Everything that's 60g seems to be only cans.
60 gr are the comp limits for cans.
45 gr are the comp limits for ball shells.

[chriskrc]

I did not forget about these 6 inch canister shells. The top layer of clay is now removed. You can now really appreciate the dead space
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That's a lot of dead space in that can.

[PyroKing31]

60 gr are the comp limits for cans.
45 gr are the comp limits for ball shells.

Thank you! I appreciate the information!

[jamisonlm3]

There are, but they aren't consumer product. The 60g limit is for consumer reloadable shells. The largest diameter a consumer shell can be is 1.75". A consumer ball shell of that size can hold close to 30g. The reason we have canister shells is because of that limit and the need to increase the space in the shell to contain it. That gave us our 4" canister shells years back.

[displayfireworks1]

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I am now done with this canister shell project. Sign in to see the unlisted video link on the document attached
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[Kooooou]

Awesome research and and thanks for sharing the video. Shelf-appeal fakery aside on these 6 inchers, they really hit hard in your video. Would love to see a night time shot.

[pyroM!KE]

One thing I could see as a benefit of 6 inch canisters is, if they used twice as thick of cardboard tubes. Then you would need the extra length , because the ID is smaller, for the composition to fit in. Thicker tubes would equal a bigger bang.... Maybe someone needs to alert the Chinese to try this....

I used to add extra layers to 1.75 ball shells to make them hit harder..Same concept using thicker cardboard tubes..

[displayfireworks1]

The reason they are hitting harder is they are altered. The top layer of clay was removed down to disc covering the factory payload. An almost equal powder was added on top of that disc. Keeping the weight near same. Same factory lift charge.

[pyroboom]

Thanks for making this video. Good info here.

[Icooclast]

that is a very informative vid Dave, thanks for filming it.

[Kooooou]

The reason they are hitting harder is they are altered. The top layer of clay was removed down to disc covering the factory payload. An almost equal powder was added on top of that disc. Keeping the weight near same. Same factory lift charge.
That explains a lot. Excellent work on enhancing the shell.